00:00 Reflections on gay rights movement: feels any kind of couple in long-term partnership should have rights of a spouse. MH was member of Homosexual Law Reform Society in North London. MH and Colin were members of Islington art group. No memory of going on marches, but was on recent gay pride march in Glasgow. People who want to hide their sexuality are not being true to themselves.

03:41 Some people hinted something going on between MH and Jack: Jack annoyed, but for MH if they want to think that, let them think. Jack came to the flat late at night when nobody was around: Jack was worried, but MH didn’t care. When something was suggested in pub about MH being gay, Jack distanced himself, but MH wasn’t worried. You have to be true to yourself if you can.

05:08 MH now impotent caused by his diabetes, also has prostate cancer and heart condition. Sex has never been a big drive for MH, and its loss is not a worry: it’s not an imperative. MH aged 77 years when ceased being sexually active with Jack. About adjusting with age, still thinks about making love, including physically: difference between love and sex. No more opportunities, not attractive to other men nowadays.

09:22 Hopes for the future: do a lot more writing, do a bit of music. About leaving his paintings and literary work to LGBT [Centre] Glasgow. Gordon will be executor.

11:36 About early days of his involvement with LGBT Centre, 11 Dixon Street. Originally thought it was Stonewall: speaks of Stonewall chief executive Angela Mason and founder [Michael] Cashman, known in show business, and another founder Matthew Parris, born in South Africa. The reason for going to the LGBT Centre was that MH wanted to ‘get in with my own people again’.

13:42 Again on Glasgow pubs in late 1980s. Difference between gay pubs in Glasgow and South Africa: in Glasgow set aside as gay, in South Africa met people in mixed atmosphere. In a Glasgow gay pub like Squires and Austin’s, MH may be asked if he knows it’s gay: his persona isn’t a gay one, usually shocks people when he tells them. Most friends know is gay, except Tina, proprietress of Edelweiss where he played, who is a Christian: MH told her he wasn’t a Christian. Again on how first met Gordon and Eric. Use to know a couple of gays in Kilmarnock. Never met gays in Stewarton, so comes to Glasgow to meet his own people.