00:00 Continues about four-day trip to USA and what S learnt regarding KS. S considers own KS to be average, explains how it is to do with number of X chromosomes a person has. ADHD [attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder] has at last been associated with KS. S diagnosed with ADD [attention deficit disorder] four years ago, explains it. Describes how spent four years in child guidance centre, because couldn’t settle at school. Learnt little because teachers were not teachers but psychologists. S was bullied. To escape, S volunteered to go to seminary. Bullied there too, but the priests condoned it, said it was character-building: S made suicide attempt aged thirteen. Went to Fern Tower [Adolescent Unit] in Hillhead, no bullying and S enjoyed time there, but doesn’t remember learning anything: mother taught S to spell. About how quick with number sequences people with KS are.

10:35 KS and gender: mentions Michael Noble in Australia, academic writing papers about KS being an intersex condition, but S denied it at first. About S’s lengthy progression to understanding of own intersex condition, full implications of this. Describes surgical changes undergone, explains why people can have physical change to body’s sexual parts but can’t change their sex as defined by chromosomal make-up. Continues about diagnosis in1987 but no correct treatment until 1999, so previously suffered severe depression, tried to kill self on three occasions. About effects of high testosterone treatment, present day methods for taking it, possible side-effects.

18:17 In last 3-4 years began to see self as intersex rather than gay male; also attracted to both males and females. Category of ‘queer’ suits S best because doesn’t consider self ‘normal’, reasons why no wish to be ‘normal’, body is different, also difficulties of periodic impotency.

22:50 S is known as intersex to one partner, who also has KS and is intersex: this partner sees himself as male but is unsure if he (and relationship with S) is gay or straight. S now likes ability to cross boundaries: can be any of LGBT, while transgender covers all aspects – not to be confused with transsexual. To outside world, S is male unless in drag: has done drag for charity etc. Possible role model for S is Paul O’Grady. As a teenager could identify with John Inman who acted gay man as camp, but S now realises gay is not necessarily camp. When first came out, contacted [Gay and Lesbian] Switchboard: John Wilkes was a volunteer [later recorded for OurStory Scotland] and introduced S to Icebreakers at Austin’s Bar in Hope Street. S went every month, and Icebreakers then became Out on Sunday and the launch of the GLC [Gay and Lesbian Centre] project.